War in the West

[Kadur]

Geplant sind 3 verschiedene Spiele.

War in the West 43-45
War in the West 40 - Norway, France, England and the Med, and add a new detailed naval system
War in the West 41-43 - Italy, Med


10 miles per hex, weekly turns.

WitE will include a more robust air game with the land campaigns and strategic bombing

Some small but abstract changes to naval rules to account for contested sea zones and amphibous invasions will be in WitW 43-45. Major logistics changes to deal with issues of supplies over beaches and through ports, as well as more detailed rail net/logistic depot rules. WitW 40 and WitW 41-43 will include a much more detailed naval game, but not at the level of detail of WitP-AE. Gary will be designing an entirely new naval system for those games that will provide a major naval component necessary to do the a possible Sea Lion, actions in the Med, and eventually an entire War in Europe. It will be weekly turns not daily like WitP, so do not expect it to be at the same detail level. But Gary has a good track record of designing systems that give the right feel to the player. We eventually will be dealing with U-boats, just can't say now exactly how


Alpha Screenshots:





The screenshot shows the German set up as of May 44 in Italy. This is alpha data and alpha artwork. In the final product, the map will look more like the WitE map art (we are still adjusting the data, map painting won't start for awhile). We have spent most of our time with the 43 campaign to date, but Trey recently started putting together the May 44 scenario so I thought I'd show you this.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/1268/C2D583AE20FE4AC19EFD6CCAB387A2CD.jpg

Here's a very crude graphic representation (on a crude alpha map) of the fact that the system now tracks rail usage down tracks. In this case various shading shows different levels of use. As use goes up, less freight moves over it and units moving over the track use more MPs. You'll notice Naples is a depot type 3 (port source of supply for other ports). You create forward depots in the game. Fresh from reading the US Army logistical study of the France 44 campaign, Gary threw himself into doing the logistics game he's always wanted to do (a scary thing from the guy that brought supply points into World at War, a game some refer to as Axis & Allies on steroids). Over 30 years of working with Gary and he constantly impresses me with what he comes up with. And Pavel is doing an equally great job on the new air game, so I for one am looking forward to seeing this game come together.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/1268/A993B7223F1C49239FA9DA7388E0E4BE.jpg

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/upfiles/1268/AA5F7D5B21BA47F29FA430FF53B88399.jpg

Ach und:

We have an alpha map for all of Europe (including the Soviet Union to east of the Urals), North Africa and the Middle East). We plan to use this map to eventually produce a WitE 2.0 which would fit in with the War in the West products and allow us to fill in a complete War in Europe. Of course, this will take many years. :^^:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3051557&mpage=1&key=

[Thomasius]

Sind das jetzt die Planungen für die nächsten 10 Jahre? Wenn man bedenkt das an WitE mit langen Unterbrechungen über 10 Jahre gearbeitet wurde, fragen wir uns wann die Ankündigungen erscheinen sollen?

[Esslingen]

evtl. hilft hier dieser Post vonJoel Billings weiter:

To do the early war years, and the war in the Med, you have to have a flushed out naval game, and a flushed out air game (how else would you do the Battle of Britain, Sea Lion, Norway, North Africa, Battle of the Atlantic). Now in 1943-45, the naval game is not as important, but the issues of air control over water are important (why didn't the Allies invade in Northern Italy in the summer of 43?). War in the East is a monster operational game covering the largest land war in history. But War in the East does not really do justice to naval issues or many air issues because it was not critical to the land war and could be simplified. In the West, to do them justice like we think War in the East does justice to the land issues, we need more detailed systems (not at the WitP level, but more satisfying for the serious gamer). Logistics are critical in all areas, and we've learned a lot with our WitE experience, just like our Uncommon Valor game taught us some things we needed to learn before we did WitP. We think we can do better in WitW, and that will be necessary and helpful for all of WiE (including WitE 2.0). We could try to do all of WitW 1940-45, in which case we'd say, we'll see you in 3-6 years if we haven't been forced to sell our houses and get a day job first. Some have argued we took on too much in doing WitE 41-45 all at once, but we made the decision to do it all at one time. With WitW, we see a clean break between the later years when the naval issues were simpler, and the earlier years where we need to create a new naval game. Remember, there will be scenarios in both 43 and 44 where the Allies will have an opportunity to choose different invasion sites and build up to the invasion. To me this is still an operational game, and as you can see in the screenshot there are lots of hexes (please don't critique the map as it's an alpha map which will ultimately be painted and will go through several more rounds of data adjustments - we already have a list of changes to be made). It's not WitE, and there will be times when the Allies are bottled up in small parts of the map, but it's still an operational game (divisions, not corps or army units). The new air game will allow for the simulation of the strategic bombing campaign, and the east front holding box will add the dimension of having some control over east vs west front strategic choices. We think the new air game and the invasion possibilities will make for an interesting game that is within our capabilities to do in a reasonable time frame (not a bridge too far). After this, Gary will complete a naval game system that will work with WIE in mind (and already having major pieces of the naval air game done), and we'll be able to do the earlier years in WitW. As we've said before, we expect at some point to work on a WitE 2.0 on this WiE map, using all of the more detailed systems that we will then have in place. Then, we can try to fill in the gaps and construct a WiE. In order to do a WiE game, it needs to all be at the same scale, and we selected this scale a long time ago, but doing a War in Europe game all at once just isn't possible, and isn't the best way to refine all of the systems we'll need to have working. Just a reminder, we aren't EA working on the next Madden Football, with tremendous resources to bring to bear for a market of millions of consumers.

As for retro-fitting rules from WitW to WitE, a few small items may come back into WitE, but it's unlikely that the bigger items will come to WitE. The impact on the game would be so great that the development time needed requires us to do it as a new game. And that's why we talk about WitE 2.0 someday using the WiE map as the best way to get the benefit of what we have learned and will continue to learn while working on WitW. That's quite a ways off though, and we think WitE is a great game that can be enjoyed as it is for many years.

I hope this gives our customers (and potential customers) a better understanding of our thinking.

[Hohenlohe]

Wow,die arbeiten schon am nächsten Teil in ähnlichen Dimensionen wie WITP/WITE...WiE wird sicherlich ein super Spiel,aber fünf Jahre wirds dauern bis dahin...man muss halt geduldig sein,weil nicht ohne Grund ist Matrix noch am Markt,sie haushalten sehr gut...

herzliche grüsse

Hohenlohe,der sich WitE noch vornehmen muss...:smoke:

[von Reuter]

Sie sollten War in the West im Stile von War in the Pacific AE machen. Ein Luftwaffen/Marine/Land Spiel, das von Norwegen, England, MIttelatlantik, MIttelmeer, Africa das ganze Theater erfaßt.

Die Luftwaffen, Marine/Uboot/Konvoi -Mechanik können direkt aus WitP nehmen. Bisher siehts es ja eher so aus, das es WitE ähnelt. Imho ein Fehler.

[Württemberg]

WitE und WitP haben mir von der Thematik nicht so zugesagt, doch die verschiedenen Kampagnen hören sich interessant an.

[SPORTPAPST]

Sie sollten War in the West im Stile von War in the Pacific AE machen. Ein Luftwaffen/Marine/Land Spiel, das von Norwegen, England, MIttelatlantik, MIttelmeer, Africa das ganze Theater erfaßt.

Die Luftwaffen, Marine/Uboot/Konvoi -Mechanik können direkt aus WitP nehmen. Bisher siehts es ja eher so aus, das es WitE ähnelt. Imho ein Fehler.

Warum sollte man was von Witp übernehmen,
wenn AE doch die weiterentwicklung ist ?

[Alith Anar]

Ich glaube nicht das das System von WitP einfach so für WitW übernommen werden könnte. Der Pazifikkrieg war doch ein Luft / Marinekrieg während Europa Landkrieg war. Du müsstest also den kompletten Fuhrpark überarbeiten. Glaube nicht, das das so einfach geht.

@Topic
In 6 Jahren kann viel passieren :)
Ich denke WitE kann schon eine gute Grundlage sein. Bin nur gespannt wie der Strategische Luftkrieg im Verlauf mit eingebunden werden soll.

[Krupinski]

Bin nur gespannt wie der Strategische Luftkrieg im Verlauf mit eingebunden werden soll.

Womöglich fliessen ja Elemente aus "Bombing the Reich" ein?

[Alith Anar]

Würde aber nicht passen, wenn eine Runde eine Woche bedeutet
Da ist BtR doch eher "Echtzeit"

[Krupinski]

Das ist schon richtig. Dennoch könnten ja bestimmte Elemente aus BTR übernommen werden..

[SPORTPAPST]

Finde man sollte sich mehr an AE halten und auf jedenfall ein Produktionsystem einbauen.
Das hat mich schon sehr stark bei Wite gestört, ohne da fehlt irgendwie was...

[Templer]

Kann es sein, dass wir zum Titel keinen ausführlichen, umfangreichen Thread wie zum Schwesterspiel War in the East haben? :???:
Ich finde nichts.

[Monty]

Braucht Ihr einen ?

[Templer]

Braucht Ihr einen ?
Nö, nicht zwingend.
Wir wollten uns einfach mal informieren, einlesen.

Allerdings, verwundert es uns schon, dass es hier keinen gibt. :think:

[Alith Anar]

Meint Ihr das hier: Gary Grigsby's War in the West!!! (http://www.si-games.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26849) ?

Ein dediziertes Unterforum gibt es aber nicht.

[Templer]

Meint Ihr das hier: Gary Grigsby's War in the West!!! (http://www.si-games.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26849) ?

Ein dediziertes Unterforum gibt es aber nicht.
Ja, meinen wir...
Seltsam, wir haben über die "Suchfunktion" nichts gefunden. :think: