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Mortimer
07.01.11, 19:40
Hat sich jemand schon ausführlich mit diesem Aspekt beschäftigt? Der Einfluß der Kommandeure ist offenbar enorm, die Beschreibung im Handbuch dazu allerdings eher vage. Bei mir wurde einmal Guderian als Befehlshaber der 2. Panzerarmee vom Programm gefeuert und durch Manstein ersetzt (ein Zeichen dafür, wie schlecht es lief :D). Auf einmal hatten alle Einheiten mehr MP, bessere Versorgung und eine Topmoral, so daß ich selbst im Sumpfgebiet eine befestigte und gestaffelte Verteidigung innerhalb eines Zuges durchschlagen konnte...

Witzig ist ja, daß die Ablösung von Halder als Chef des OKH nur einen Admin-Punkt kostet, die von irgendwelchen Korpskommandeuren hingegen so um die zwanzig Punkte oder mehr.

Auch bei den Command Points muß man aufpassen. Da stehen anfangs einige HQ´s ganz schön in den Miesen. Aber eine größere Umstrukturierung ist teuer und in den kleineren Szenarien nur bedingt umsetzbar.
Monty
08.01.11, 11:47
Bei mir wurde einmal Guderian als Befehlshaber der 2. Panzerarmee vom Programm gefeuert und durch Manstein ersetzt (ein Zeichen dafür, wie schlecht es liefWahrscheinlich ist Guderian mal wieder bei Kluge frech geworden. :D. Ich denke nur bei großen Szenarien sollte man sich über einen Leader Wechsel Gedanken machen.
Mortimer
08.01.11, 18:30
Ich denke nur bei großen Szenarien sollte man sich über einen Leader Wechsel Gedanken machen.

Ab 10 Zügen aufwärts kann es sich schon lohnen, meine ich. Andererseits bekommt man in den Nicht-Feldzugspielen auch nur relativ wenige Admin-Punkte...
Boron
09.01.11, 02:06
Komisch dass Manstein höher als Guderian bewertet zu werden scheint :???: Das erscheint uns etwas seltsam, persönlich würden wir dazu tendieren Guderian als den fähigsten deutschen Armeegeneral zu nominieren, in Hoi und vielen anderen Spielen wird er zumindest so gut als Manstein bewertet :).

Das mit den Kommandeurwechseln zum Kaufen klingt aber gut. Sobald es mal Rabatt auf Wite gibt können wir wohl nicht mehr widerstehen es uns endlich auch zu kaufen :)
elbe1
09.01.11, 11:29
mal ein csv file Export aus den Editor

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86,Jaenecke,Erwin,1,0,34,11,6,6,7,7,1,4,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,2,1944,4,1942,12,1,12,1944,1,30,13,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0
87,Jeckeln,Friedrich,1,976,0,11,6,7,5,6,1,3,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
88,Jodl,Ferdinand,1,0,0,12,5,9,8,3,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,2,1941,6,1945,5,1944,1,30,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
89,Jordan,Hans,1,0,16,10,7,6,6,7,1,4,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,10,1944,6,1942,11,1,11,1943,1,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
90,Junck,Werner,1,0,0,11,5,6,6,1,5,1,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
91,Kaempfe,Otto,1,924,0,10,5,4,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1945,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
92,Kammhuber,Josef,1,58,0,11,7,6,7,1,5,1,6,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1944,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
93,Keller,Alfred,1,15,0,13,6,5,8,1,6,1,6,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1943,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
94,Kempf,Werner,1,813,0,12,6,7,6,7,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
95,Keppler,Georg,1,0,0,10,5,9,5,7,1,7,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,3,1942,1,30,11,1944,4,20,12,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
96,Kesselring,Albert,1,24,0,14,9,9,7,6,8,4,9,1,0,0,2,1,1941,6,1941,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
97,Kienitz,Werner,1,619,0,12,5,4,5,5,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
98,Kirchner,Friedrich,1,0,0,11,7,9,5,6,1,6,8,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1945,5,1942,2,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
99,Kleemann,Ulrich,1,0,21,10,6,8,6,7,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,11,1945,5,1943,6,10,11,1944,10,1,12,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
100,Kleffel,Philipp,1,0,0,11,5,7,6,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,11,1942,3,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
101,Kleinheisterkamp,Matthais,1,980,0,10,6,9,5,7,1,7,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,4,1943,5,1,11,1944,8,1, 12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
102,Koch,Friedrich,1,630,0,12,5,4,5,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
103,Koch-Erpach,Rudolf,1,0,47,11,5,3,5,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1942,5,1945,4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
104,Kochling,Friedrich,1,0,42,10,5,9,5,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,4,1944,8,1943,1,1,11,1944,2,1,12,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0
105,Konrad,Rudolf,1,0,25,11,5,9,6,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,12,1945,5,1942,3,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
106,Korten,Gunther,1,0,0,10,6,9,8,1,7,1,8,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1944,6,1942,8,1,11,1943,1,30,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
107,Kraas,Hugo,1,0,199,10,6,5,5,6,1,6,9,1,0,0,1,0,1945,4,1945,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
108,Kraemer,Fritz,1,0,164,10,6,6,6,5,1,5,9,1,0,0,1,0,1944,8,1945,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
109,Kreysing,Hans,1,0,0,10,7,9,6,7,1,5,8,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1945,5,1942,7,1,11,1943,11,1,12,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
110,Kruger,Walter,1,977,0,10,7,9,5,7,1,7,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,5,1942,1,30,11,1944,6,21,12,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
111,Kubler,Ludwig,1,734,0,12,5,3,6,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
112,Kuntze,Walter,1,414,0,11,5,3,6,5,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,10,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
113,Kuntzen,Adolf,1,553,0,12,5,4,5,6,1,6,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
114,Lanz,Hubert,1,965,0,10,6,8,6,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,6,1942,12,1,11,1943,1,28,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
115,Laux,Paul,1,0,0,11,6,8,6,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,8,1942,12,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
116,Lemelsen,Joachim,1,484,0,12,6,6,6,6,1,6,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,10,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
117,Lindemann,Georg,1,920,0,12,7,6,7,7,1,5,6,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1944,6,1942,7,5,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
118,List,Wilhelm,1,0,0,14,6,2,7,7,1,5,4,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1942,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
119,Loch,Herbert,1,0,0,11,5,6,6,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,8,1941,10,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
120,Loehr,Alexander,1,41,0,13,7,9,7,1,7,1,8,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1942,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
121,Loerzer,Bruno,1,27,0,12,5,5,6,1,6,1,5,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1943,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
122,Lucht,Walther,1,0,34,10,6,6,5,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,2,1943,10,1942,11,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
123,Marcks,Erich,1,0,0,11,6,7,6,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,7,1942,10,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
124,Martinek,Robert,1,0,0,10,6,9,5,7,1,5,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,6,1941,12,26,11,1943,1,1,12,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
125,Materna,Friedrich,1,399,0,12,5,5,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
126,Mattenklott,Franz,1,0,0,11,5,7,5,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,4,1941,10,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
127,Matzky,Gerhard,1,0,82,10,5,8,6,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1943,1,1945,5,1943,4,20,11,1944,9,1,12,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0
128,Meindl,Eugen,1,0,0,10,5,9,6,7,4,1,7,1,0,0,2,0,1941,6,1943,10,1943,2,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
129,Meister,Rudolf,1,0,0,12,6,5,5,1,7,1,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
130,Mieth,Friedrich,1,0,0,11,6,8,6,6,1,4,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,8,1943,4,20,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
131,Model,Walter,1,0,0,11,8,9,7,9,1,7,9,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1944,7,1941,10,10,12,1942,2,1,13,1944,3,1,1 4,0,0,0,0
132,Muller,Friedrich,1,966,0,10,7,7,6,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,10,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
133,Muller,Vinzenz,1,0,0,10,5,8,6,6,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,6,1943,2,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
134,Muller,Ludwig,1,0,68,10,6,7,6,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,10,1944,7,1943,7,1,11,1944,5,1,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
135,Nehring,Walther,1,0,0,10,7,9,6,7,1,7,8,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1945,5,1942,2,1,11,1942,7,1,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
136,Neuling,Ferdinand,1,0,0,11,5,4,5,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
137,Neumann,Eduard,1,0,0,10,6,5,6,1,7,1,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
138,Nordmann,Karl,1,0,0,10,6,5,6,1,6,1,5,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
139,Ott,Eugen,1,0,0,11,5,5,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,9,1941,10,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
140,Paulus,Friedrich,1,0,29,12,5,5,7,5,1,4,5,1,0,0,0,0,1942,1,1943,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
141,Peltz,Dietrich,1,0,0,11,5,5,4,1,6,1,4,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
142,Petersen,Erich,1,0,16,10,4,4,5,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,10,1942,7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
143,Pfeiffer,Georg,1,0,0,11,5,8,5,6,1,4,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,6,1944,5,20,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
144,Pflugbeil,Kurt,1,45,0,11,6,8,5,1,5,1,7,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1945,5,1942,2,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
145,Phleps,Artur,1,0,29,10,6,6,5,6,1,3,9,1,0,0,1,0,1942,1,1944,8,1942,4,20,11,1943,6,21,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
146,Priess,Hermann,1,971,0,10,7,9,5,6,1,6,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,5,1943,2,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
147,Rasp,Siegfried,1,0,125,10,5,6,6,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1943,11,1944,8,1944,5,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
148,Raus,Erhard,1,0,8,10,7,7,7,7,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,1,1941,8,1945,2,1943,1,23,11,1943,4,20,12,1944,9,20,1 3,0,0,0,0
149,Recknagel,Hermann,1,0,47,10,7,9,5,7,1,3,8,1,0,0,0,0,1942,5,1945,1,1943,3,1,11,1944,7,1,12,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0,0
150,Reinhard,Hans,1,939,0,12,5,6,6,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
151,Reinhardt,Georg-Hans,1,198,0,12,7,6,7,7,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1945,1,1942,1,1,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
152,Rendulic,Lothar,1,0,0,10,7,9,8,8,1,6,8,1,0,0,0,2,1941,6,1945,5,1941,12,1,11,1942,12,1,12,1944,4, 1,13,0,0,0,0
153,Reuss,Franz,1,0,112,10,5,5,5,1,5,1,4,1,0,0,3,0,1943,8,1945,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
154,Richthofen,Wolfram,1,34,0,12,8,8,7,1,8,1,8,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1943,5,1942,2,1,13,1943,2,6,14,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0
155,Rohricht,Edgar,1,0,68,10,5,7,5,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,10,1945,1,1943,4,1,11,1944,9,1,12,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0
156,Roman,Rudolf,1,0,12,10,6,8,5,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,9,1945,5,1942,10,1,11,1942,11,1,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
157,Rommel,Erwin,1,0,0,14,9,3,5,8,1,8,7,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
158,Ropke,Kurt,1,0,112,10,6,6,5,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1943,8,1945,4,1944,2,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
159,Ruoff,Richard,1,506,0,12,6,5,7,6,1,4,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,6,1942,6,1,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
160,Schaal,Ferdinand,1,933,0,11,5,7,5,5,1,6,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,7,1941,10,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
161,Schlemm,Alfred,1,0,0,10,5,9,6,6,4,2,7,1,0,0,2,0,1941,6,1943,11,1942,6,1,11,1943,1,1,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
162,Schlemmer,Hans,1,0,38,10,6,9,5,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,3,1944,1,1943,1,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
163,Schmalz,Wilhelm,1,967,0,10,6,9,4,6,3,5,7,1,0,0,2,0,1941,6,1945,5,1945,1,30,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
164,Schmidt,Hans,1,0,0,11,6,7,6,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,11,1942,2,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
165,Schmidt,Rudolf,1,530,0,12,7,4,7,6,1,6,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,3,1942,1,1,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
166,Schopfel,Gerhard,1,0,0,10,6,4,6,1,6,1,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
167,Schorner,Ferdinand,1,0,121,12,9,9,8,8,1,5,9,1,0,0,0,2,1943,10,1945,5,1944,3,1,13,1945,4,5,14,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0
168,Schroth,Walther,1,438,0,12,5,5,6,5,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
169,Schubert,Albrecht,1,230,0,12,5,5,6,5,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
170,Schulz,Friedrich,1,0,55,10,7,7,7,7,1,5,7,1,0,0,0,1,1942,7,1945,3,1943,7,1,11,1944,4,1,12,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
171,Seidemann,Hans,1,0,99,10,6,8,6,1,6,1,7,1,0,0,3,0,1943,5,1945,5,1944,1,1,11,1945,3,1,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
172,Senger und Etterlin,Fridolin,1,0,68,10,6,8,6,6,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,10,1943,5,1943,5,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
173,Sinnhuber,Johann,1,0,0,11,5,5,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
174,Sperrle,Hugo,1,60,0,14,5,7,6,1,7,1,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
175,Stadler,Sylvester,1,0,199,10,7,5,4,6,1,6,9,1,0,0,1,0,1945,4,1945,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
176,Steiner,Felix,1,974,0,10,7,9,6,7,1,7,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,4,1942,1,30,11,1943,7,1,12,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0,0
177,Straube,Erich,1,0,0,11,6,6,5,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,2,1942,6,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
178,Strauss,Adolf,1,339,0,13,6,4,7,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
179,Streckenbach,Bruno,1,0,160,10,6,6,5,6,1,3,9,1,0,0,1,0,1944,7,1945,5,1944,11,9,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
180,Strecker,Karl,1,0,0,11,6,6,5,7,1,4,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,1,1942,4,1,12,1943,1,31,13,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
181,Student,Kurt,1,0,199,13,7,9,8,6,7,2,8,1,0,0,2,2,1945,4,1945,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
182,Stumme,Georg,1,1190,0,12,5,3,6,5,1,6,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
183,Stumpff,Hans-Jurgen,1,64,0,13,6,6,7,1,6,1,6,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1943,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
184,Theissen,Edgar,1,0,0,11,4,4,5,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
185,Tiemann,Otto,1,0,0,11,5,9,5,6,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1945,5,1944,5,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
186,Vahl,Herbert,1,0,94,10,5,5,5,5,1,5,9,1,0,0,1,0,1943,4,1944,7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
187,Veiel,Rudolf,1,0,0,11,5,5,5,7,1,7,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,4,1942,4,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
188,Vierow,Erwin,1,616,0,12,5,5,6,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
189,Volckamer,Friedrich,1,0,77,10,5,8,6,7,1,4,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,12,1945,5,1943,9,1,11,1945,1,1,12,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0
190,Volckers,Paul,1,0,21,10,5,9,5,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,11,1944,6,1942,9,1,11,1943,9,1,12,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0
191,von Arnim,Hans-Jurgen,1,0,0,11,5,7,7,7,1,7,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,11,1942,12,17,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
192,von Axthelm,Walter,1,0,0,10,5,9,6,6,2,3,7,1,0,0,2,0,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
193,von Bock,Fedor,1,3,0,14,7,3,8,7,1,5,5,1,0,0,0,2,1941,6,1942,7,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
194,von Both,Hans-Kuno,1,157,0,12,5,5,5,5,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
195,von Briesen,Kurt,1,745,0,12,5,5,6,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
196,von Brockdorff-Ahlefeldt,Graf,1,69,0,12,6,5,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,10,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
197,von Chappuis,Friedrich,1,184,0,12,5,3,5,6,1,4,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
198,von Choltitz,Dietrich,1,0,64,10,5,7,5,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,9,1943,11,1943,3,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
199,von Greim,Robert,1,49,0,12,7,9,7,1,6,1,8,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1945,5,1943,2,16,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
200,von Hubicki,Alfred,1,0,0,11,5,6,6,6,1,5,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,5,1942,10,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
201,von Kleist,Ewald,1,754,0,13,8,5,7,7,1,8,7,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1944,3,1943,2,1,14,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
202,von Kluge,Gunther,1,254,0,14,8,9,8,7,1,4,9,1,0,0,0,2,1941,6,1943,9,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
203,von Knobelsdorff,Otto,1,0,0,11,7,8,5,7,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,8,1942,8,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
204,von Kortzfleisch,Joachim,1,659,0,12,5,5,5,7,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
205,von Krosigk,Ernst,1,0,116,10,6,7,6,7,1,4,7,1,0,0,0,0,1943,9,1945,2,1944,5,1,11,1945,1,30,12,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
206,von Kuchler,Georg,1,135,0,13,7,5,7,7,1,5,6,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1943,12,1942,6,30,14,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
207,von Leeb,Wilhelm,1,2,0,14,7,2,7,7,1,4,4,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
208,von Leyser,Ernst,1,964,0,10,5,8,5,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,9,1942,10,1,11,1942,12,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
209,von Luttwitz,Smilo Baron,1,0,64,10,7,6,6,6,1,7,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,9,1944,12,1943,10,1,11,1944,9,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
210,von Lutzow,Kurt-Jurgen,1,0,29,10,6,7,5,6,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,1,1944,6,1943,11,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
211,von Mackensen,Eberhard,1,786,0,12,7,5,7,7,1,7,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,10,1943,7,6,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
212,von Manstein,Erich,1,217,0,12,9,6,8,8,1,8,8,1,0,0,0,2,1941,6,1944,3,1942,3,7,13,1942,7,1,14,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
213,von Manteuffel,Hasso,1,0,112,10,8,7,6,7,1,8,8,1,0,0,0,0,1943,8,1944,8,1944,2,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
214,von Obstfelber,Hans,1,836,0,12,7,8,6,6,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
215,von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch,Karl,1,978,0,11,6,9,6,6,1,3,9,1,0,0,1,0,1941,6,1945,1,1943,11,9,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
216,von Reichenau,Walter,1,591,0,14,6,8,7,6,1,5,7,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1942,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
217,von Roques,Franz,1,234,0,11,4,6,6,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,3,1941,7,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
218,von Roques,Karl,1,586,0,11,4,5,6,5,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
219,von Rundstedt,Gerd,1,4,0,14,7,3,8,7,1,5,5,1,0,0,0,2,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
220,von Salmuth,Hans,1,670,0,12,6,5,7,6,1,4,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,7,1943,1,1,13,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
221,von Saucken,Dietrich,1,968,0,10,8,9,6,6,1,7,8,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1945,5,1943,4,1,11,1944,8,1,12,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
222,von Schenckendorff,Max,1,244,0,12,4,6,6,5,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
223,von Schobert,Eugen,1,641,0,12,5,4,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
224,von Scholz,Fritz,1,0,77,10,6,7,4,6,1,4,9,1,0,0,1,0,1942,12,1944,7,1944,4,10,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
225,von Schwedler,Viktor,1,717,0,12,5,5,6,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,9,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
226,von Seydlitz-Kurzback,Walter,1,0,0,10,6,7,5,7,1,4,6,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,1,1941,12,1,11,1942,6,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
227,von Sodenstern,Georg,1,0,0,12,5,6,7,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,6,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
228,von Sponeck,Graf,1,0,0,11,5,3,4,6,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
229,von Stulpnagel,Carl,1,689,0,12,5,2,6,5,1,3,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,9,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
230,von Thoma,Wilhelm,1,0,0,10,5,5,5,6,1,7,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
231,von Tippelskirch,Kurt,1,0,0,11,6,8,6,6,1,4,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1944,7,1942,8,27,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
232,von Vaerst,Gustav,1,0,0,10,6,5,4,6,1,6,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
233,von Vietinghoff,Heinrich,1,478,0,12,6,8,6,7,1,7,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
234,von Vormann,Nikolaus,1,0,82,10,5,7,6,6,1,6,6,1,0,0,0,0,1943,1,1944,8,1943,7,1,11,1944,6,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
235,von Weichs,Maximilian,1,947,0,13,7,7,7,7,1,5,7,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1943,6,1943,2,1,14,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
236,von Wietersheim,Gustav,1,809,0,12,5,3,6,5,1,6,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
237,von Wiktorin,Mauritz,1,99,0,12,5,4,6,6,1,4,4,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,10,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
238,von Witzleben,Erwin,1,0,0,14,6,1,5,7,1,5,6,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
239,von Zangen,Gustav,1,0,34,10,6,6,5,7,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,0,1942,2,1943,3,1943,1,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
240,Wegener,Wilhelm,1,0,51,10,7,8,5,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,6,1944,9,1943,3,1,11,1943,12,1,12,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
241,Weise,Hubert,1,57,0,13,6,5,7,1,5,1,5,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
242,Weisenberger,Karl,1,241,0,12,5,5,5,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1941,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
243,Weiss,Walter,1,948,0,10,7,9,7,8,1,5,8,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1945,4,1942,1,1,11,1942,9,1,12,1944,2,1,1 3,0,0,0,0
244,Wenck,Walther,1,0,90,10,5,7,7,6,1,5,6,1,0,0,0,1,1943,3,1945,2,1944,4,1,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
245,Wiese,Friedrich,1,0,64,10,6,8,5,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,9,1945,5,1943,1,1,11,1943,10,1,12,0,0,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
246,Wisch,Theodor,1,0,138,10,7,5,4,6,1,5,9,1,0,0,1,0,1944,2,1944,5,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
247,Wodrig,Albert,1,173,0,12,5,5,6,6,1,3,5,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1942,9,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
248,Wohler,Otto,1,951,0,10,6,9,7,7,1,5,8,1,0,0,0,1,1941,6,1945,4,1942,10,1,11,1943,6,1,12,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0,0
249,Wuthman,Rolf,1,0,34,10,5,8,6,7,1,3,7,1,0,0,0,0,1942,2,1945,5,1943,3,1,11,1944,2,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0,0
250,Zeitzler,Kurt,1,0,34,10,6,7,8,4,1,4,6,1,0,0,0,2,1942,2,1944,6,1942,9,24,11,1942,9,24,12,1944,2,1 ,13,0,0,0,0
251,Ziegler,Heinz,1,0,0,11,4,6,8,5,1,3,4,1,0,0,2,2,1945,11,1945,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
252,Zorn,Hans,1,0,0,10,6,8,6,6,1,6,7,1,0,0,0,0,1941,6,1943,7,1942,1,15,11,1942,6,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0
253,Krebs,Hans,1,0,34,10,3,9,8,5,1,3,6,1,0,0,0,2,1942,2,1945,4,1943,4,1,11,1944,8,1,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ,0
254,von Wild,Wolfgang,1,0,0,10,4,6,4,1,4,1,5,1,0,0,3,0,1941,1,1942,10,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
255,Zander,Konrad,1,0,0,12,5,5,5,1,5,1,5,1,0,0,3,0,1942,10,1942,12,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
256,Heim,Ferdinand,1,0,0,10,5,3,5,4,1,5,4,1,0,0,0,0,1942,2,1942,11,1942,1,11,11,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0, 0,0
257,Forster,Helmut,1,18,0,12,6,6,5,1,6,1,6,1,0,0,3,0,1941,6,1942,8,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0



der Editor lässt ein sehr viel Freiheiten bis auf die map und die combat/ Formeln Kamm man fast alles verändern !:smoke:
Krupinski
09.01.11, 13:02
Komisch dass Manstein höher als Guderian bewertet zu werden scheint :???: Das erscheint uns etwas seltsam, persönlich würden wir dazu tendieren Guderian als den fähigsten deutschen Armeegeneral zu nominieren, in Hoi und vielen anderen Spielen wird er zumindest so gut als Manstein bewertet :).

Naja, immerhin hat Manstein eine ganze Heeresgruppe befehligt und das wohl auch nicht ganz ungeschickt. Guderian war hingegen auf Panzer spezialisiert.
SPORTPAPST
19.01.11, 03:53
Naja, immerhin hat Manstein eine ganze Heeresgruppe befehligt und das wohl auch nicht ganz ungeschickt. Guderian war hingegen auf Panzer spezialisiert.

Na ja beides erstklassige Offiziere, auch im denken ähnlich.

Zur Guderian muss man aber sagen das er die idee des Sturmgeschützes nicht gleich verstanden hat.
Und sie auch behindert hat wo es gang zum anfang.
Hohenlohe
19.01.11, 04:13
Mal ne kurze Frage, wie wirkt es sich evtl. aus, wenn ich Halder durch Manstein ersetze und Halder an die Front versetze....? Hat das einer schon versucht...??

Stehen eigentlich Rommel und Kesselring zur Verfügung...*lautnachdenk*??
Muss ich gleich mal selber schauen...

herzliche grüsse

Hohenlohe...:smoke:
Thomasius
19.01.11, 06:23
Zur Guderian muss man aber sagen das er die idee des Sturmgeschützes nicht gleich verstanden hat.
Und sie auch behindert hat wo es gang zum anfang.


Guderian hat die Sturmgeschütze nicht an sich abgelehnt, sondern ihm ging es darum, dass der Bau von Sturmgeschützen auf jeden Fall zu Lasten der sowiso schon viel zu geringen Panzerproduktion gehen würde.
Mortimer
19.01.11, 20:02
Mal ne kurze Frage, wie wirkt es sich evtl. aus, wenn ich Halder durch Manstein ersetze und Halder an die Front versetze....? Hat das einer schon versucht...??

Stehen eigentlich Rommel und Kesselring zur Verfügung...*lautnachdenk*??
Muss ich gleich mal selber schauen...

herzliche grüsse

Hohenlohe...:smoke:

Ich habe mal Halder aus Spaß als OKH-Chef entlassen und durch von Kluge ersetzt, weil es a.) nur einen Admin-Punkt kostet und b.) er kein Genie ist, von den logistischen Fähigkeiten mal abgesehen. Ich glaube aber, daß entlassene Kommandeure nicht sofort wieder verfügbar sind, aber da bin ich mir nicht sicher.

War Rommel überhaupt mal an der Ostfront eingesetzt :think:
Alith Anar
19.01.11, 21:52
Nö

Nach Afrika war er erst in Italien, dann Normandie und dann kahm erst die Verwundung und dann wurde er ja zum Selbstmord gedrängt.
SPORTPAPST
20.01.11, 12:12
Guderian hat die Sturmgeschütze nicht an sich abgelehnt, sondern ihm ging es darum, dass der Bau von Sturmgeschützen auf jeden Fall zu Lasten der sowiso schon viel zu geringen Panzerproduktion gehen würde.

Guderian ging davon aus das ein Kampfpanzer mit einen Turm sinnvoller sei, als ein Sturmgeschütz was bekanntlich einen festen Kasemattenaufbau besitzt.
Hohenlohe
20.01.11, 12:53
Guderian ging davon aus das ein Kampfpanzer mit einen Turm sinnvoller sei, als ein Sturmgeschütz was bekanntlich einen festen Kasemattenaufbau besitzt.

Nur so nebenbei, erstens waren Sturmgeschütze billiger in der Herstellung, zweitens wurden diverse Sturmartillerieeinheiten der Infanterie sowie den Panzergrenadieren oftmals zugeordnet. Ausserdem gab es wohl reine Sturmartilleriebrigaden, die entweder einem Korps oder einer Armee unterstellt waren.
Aber insgesamt gesehen hat Guderian damals als Inspekteur der Panzertruppen die teilweise heute noch gültige Zusammensetzung der damaligen Kampfgruppen bewirkt. Er war m.W. derjenige, der auch für die weitgehende Einführung der echten Panzerartillerie sowie des damals besten Kanonenjagdpanzers verantwortlich war, dem "Hetzer". Immerhin hat seine Reform der Panzertruppen dazu beigetragen, dass die Wehrmacht imstande war wesentlich länger gegen die Russen zu bestehen.

herzliche grüsse

Hohenlohe...:smoke:
Alith Anar
20.01.11, 13:36
@ Hohenlohe

Mag ja sein, das die Fahrzeuge den Sturmaribattalionen zugeordnet waren, jedoch waren gerade die StuG III und 4 von der Bewaffnung her eher Panzerjäger. Das Stug 42 hat die Kurze 7.5 cm bekommen und war wieder für Ari besser geeignet. Grossen Problem war aber auch, das die meisten StuG auf den ganz normalen Panzerchassis basierten. Das bedeutet also jedes Stug hätte auch ein Panzer sein können. In sofern hat er schon recht wenn er sagt, das die StuG Produktion zu lasten der PAnzerprod geht.
SPORTPAPST
20.01.11, 14:06
Natürlich hatte er Recht wenn es um die Panzerproduktion geht, aber darum geht es doch garnicht.

Wichtig ist doch nur der Kampfwert:

Denn das Stug 3 ist den Panzer 3 in fast allen belangen überlegen.
Der Panzer 3 ist den t 34 und den Sherman klar unterlegen während das Stug 3 in einer dirketen Duellsitauation sogar noch einen Is 2 ausschalten kann.

ps. das stug 42 führte eine 10,5 cm Haubitze 18 du meinst sicher das Stug 3b mit 7,5 cm stummel.
Alith Anar
20.01.11, 14:17
Nö
ich ich meinte iegentlich die 10,5 ;)
War der MEinung das bei der Sturmhaubitze 42 nur die 7,5 cm verbaut war.
Thomasius
20.01.11, 15:54
Mal davon abgesehen das wir vollkommen vom Thema abgekommen sind.

Sturmgeschütze waren als Panzerjäger in der Devensive brauchbar, aber in der Offensive sind sie Kampfpanzern klar unterlegen, weil sie keinen drehbaren Turm hatten.
Wenn Sturmgeschütze der Weisheit letzter Schluss wären muss man sich die Frage stellen warum man immer noch teure Kampfpanzer baut, aber nicht die "gleichwertigen" aber viel billigeren Sturmgeschütze.
Als Jagdpanzer hatten alle Sturmgeschütze/Jagdpanzer mit dem erfinden der Panzerabwehrlenkrakten ausgediehnt und als Ersatz für Kampfpanzer haben sie nie etwas getaugt.
SPORTPAPST
20.01.11, 18:52
Mal davon abgesehen das wir vollkommen vom Thema abgekommen sind.

Sturmgeschütze waren als Panzerjäger in der Devensive brauchbar, aber in der Offensive sind sie Kampfpanzern klar unterlegen, weil sie keinen drehbaren Turm hatten.
Wenn Sturmgeschütze der Weisheit letzter Schluss wären muss man sich die Frage stellen warum man immer noch teure Kampfpanzer baut, aber nicht die "gleichwertigen" aber viel billigeren Sturmgeschütze.
Als Jagdpanzer hatten alle Sturmgeschütze/Jagdpanzer mit dem erfinden der Panzerabwehrlenkrakten ausgediehnt und als Ersatz für Kampfpanzer haben sie nie etwas getaugt.

Na der clou war ja damals, das die Stugs eine viel stäkere Haupfwaffe aufnehmen konnten als Panzer mit Turm und das auf den gleichen Fahrgestell und dazu noch die bessere Panzerrung aufwiesen. Dazu die niedrige Silhouette besaßen. Als Offensivewaffe hat sich die Stug auch oft als gut bewiesen, natürlich ist sie im Nahkampf weit schwächer als ein Panzer mit Turm. Und auch die Sowjets, bauten herrvoragende Kasemattenpanzer.

Die Bundeswehr hatte bis weit in die 70 noch Kanonenjagdpanzer.
Das Ende der Kasemattenpanzer kamm erst, als man anfing die kanonen zu stabilisieren und dadurch auch ein Panzer in Querfahrt sein Ziel treffen konnte, das kann ein starr eingebautes geschütz natürlich nicht.